I just discovered about your Quad coils and they intrigued me, so I’ve been reading and looking at what information and comments I can find on them.
Btw… I’m 100% with you on the “keep it simple” - I’ve never needed more than 3, maybe 4, layers. (Maybe I’m just lucky that simple has worked for me, and that I don’t have any major back issues, etc.)
If you are willing…
I’m curious what configuration of layers you would recommend using your Quad coils with latex in a hybrid mattress for a primarily side sleeper (although very occasionally on their stomach) that is 6’1" around 175lbs. And I’d be curious about it in two configurations: with just latex layers, as well as a configuration with your microcoils and latex.
And, if your willing, what difference, if any, in the configs would you suggest for a 75% back / 25% side sleeper that is 6’ around 205lbs.
Isn’t that true about most things in life, “Keep it simple”.
Based on your profile I’d go 15.5g 8"- 3" QuadMini - 2" of latex.
205lb can use the same configuration.
I always suggest with a DIY to get your coils first and lay on them. From there you can decide what you need for the top layers and cover. The latex on top is just to disguise the feel of the actual top convolution of the coil. I know DIYers who have gone wool over the Quadmini.
I do like the idea of the Quad+QuadMini configuration, but just so I have another option to consider… If you don’t mind…
What would be your recommendation in a configuration without the QuadMini?
Would one layer of 3" of latex (at preferred feel/firmness) be the way to go, or would two layers of 2" each (allowing to mix firmness levels if needed) be better - or would 4" be too much?
I’m no expert, but I do sleep on the quad coils (15.5). I put a layer of wool batting on top, then placed a 2 inch layer of talalay (one side firm, the other medium from APM) and then a 3 inch vzone from flobeds. One side medium and one side soft. I tinkered and made the top part of mine a little softer to accommodate my side sleeping. It was kind of complicated, but it meant I got support on my lower back and hips and pressure relief on shoulders. I’m 6ft 220 and my wife is 5’7 130 (stomach sleeper). I really like our mattress (so does she). The coils are a great base. Plenty of support, no motion transfer (we have two twinxls, which obviously helps). I was very happy to learn about TPS, and really glad I called them to start my journey to a comfortable sleep. I can say the same for APM and Flobeds (and shout out to CST for helping me understand how a “zoned” configuration could help me).
Unfortunately my in depth foam and latex knowledge is limited…i know that people build without the QuadMinis with just latex or visco…often adding natural natural fibers on top (like the earlier comment) if you aren’t in a rush i think getting the coils first laying in them and then deciding your next layer is the best way to go. It will allow you to decide how firm or soft you want to go.
Thanks Sam_Sneed, for the real world experience info! That helps a ton to hear from a non-expert (like me ) who sleeps on them.
And thanks for the additional feedback TPS!
For our immediate need - mattress for our college Junior son (6’1" around 175lbs) - I finally decided to just go ahead and order a preconfigured hybrid from APM. I was very lightly considering maybe doing a DIY similar to that mattress but with TPS coils. But with a preconfigured mattress you get a complete mattress warranty, whereas with DIY there’s a lot less of that protection and each part may have different coverage (or none). Since it’s for my son - not me - I decided to go with the option of the complete mattress with warranty. (Plus I figured if I’m going to experiment with DIY I should experiment on myself first, rather than using any of my family as test subjects. )
BUT… Within a year or so, I’m going to replace my twinxl mattress (my half of our king). And I’m really leaning towards TPS’s suggestion: get the 15.5g 8" Quad + 3" QuadMini and lay on that for a while before I decide what top layers I might want/need, if any.
Among several other reasons…
I sleep very hot, and so I really like the idea of the airflow of an almost fully pocket coil mattress with just a little bit of latex on top if needed.
I see on https://pocketcoilstore.com/ that the TwinXL size of the 8" 15.5g Quad Coils currently show that the Firm Sides (both) version is not available (sold out). I’m just wondering if they are just temporarily sold out right now but will be available again, or if TwinXL is not offered in the First Sides (both) version at all.
I’ll need to check on Monday about the twin xl with 2 firm sides. That’s not very common size as a solo unit.
We typically carry inventory of all the popular units. We had a big influx of orders over the last few weeks and are playing catch up with inventory. If you want this unit and i don’t have one on the production schedule I would be happy to do so.
For what it’s worth, I do t recommend from sides in a twin. The firm sides will take up 30ish% of the sleeping surface. With our units they don’t bottom out so the edges will still have a nice amount of resilience or pushback.
Hope this was helpful.
Wow. I didn’t expect a reply until Monday. Thanks for taking time out of your weekend.
“The firm sides will take up 30ish% of the sleeping surface” – Oh yeah. I didn’t think about that. That’s a very good point!
I was thinking more about it earlier an actually realized I only need edge support on one side - because this would be for my half of our king, and personally I only need the edge support for when I SIT on an edge. And there’s only one edge I can sit on.
“With our units they don’t bottom out so the edges will still have a nice amount of resilience or pushback.” – That’s helpful to know.
I’m going to finally upgrade my side of our split king with a DIY based on Texas Pocket Coils!
As you suggest, since I’m not in a hurry I’m going to order the Quad+QuadMini and lay on that combination some before deciding what I want/need for a top layer (if anything).
While I’m trying out and laying on just the Quad+QuadMini, what do you suggest for covering/containing it? I was thinking of covering it with my St Dormier wool/terrycloth mattress protector: St. Dormeir Wool Mattress Protector | Order a St. Dormeir Mattress Protector With 16 In. Pocket - FloBeds
Would that work? The sides are thin material that’s extremely stretchy. So it won’t do much of anything to contain the coils to keep them from spreading apart, if that’s needed.
I also see that you now sell an organic cotton cover! Looks like a great option at a good price. So I’m probably going to get that for the cover once I know what depth I’ll need.
Although I am also considering the really nice mattress cover (bamboo / wool quilted) that I got from Arizona Premium Mattress for my son’s mattress. Or maybe their organic cotton cover. Replacement Mattress Covers
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That sounds like a good plan. The wool protector will work just fine. Curious why you don’t just by the cover if you are going to buy the wool protector to test it out? I assume you have the protector already?
As for covers, our cover is very nice(not sure why when I hear the term “very nice” my mind goes to Borat ) and has good body to it. Its the same material around the entire cover, so we don’t use thinner fabric on the bottom or sides. I cant speak for the APM cover but I’ve heard good things and you have have one so you can attest to the quality. happy to answer any additional questions.
Yep. Exactly. I already have that wool mattress protector on my current mattress. So figured I could just use it to cover the Quad+QuadMini while I’m deciding what (if any) top layer I want/need, and what depth cover I will need.
So I will do that.
Yeah, the APM mattress cover I got for my son’s mattress is very nice () quality and comfort. It’s essentially a very nice standard structured type of mattress cover BUT with a fully zippered top. So it doesn’t have the stretch that it sounds like you’re does.
Hi @PCS, I would appreciate your thoughts/opinion.
I’m second guessing that I may have ordered the wrong gauge for my weight. I went with the 15.5ga, but now I’m concerned I should have gone with the 14.5ga.
I’m 6’0", 207lbs, 50/50 back/side sleeper.
(I’ve consistently weighed around that or less. Never been more than 210lbs.)
What are your thoughts on 15.5ga vs 14.5ga for me?
I also went back and re-read several of the Reddit and Mattress Underground posts last night that originally helped me settle on the decision that the 15.5G was right for me (as well as those that made me consider the 14.5G). And after reading them again I still came to the same conclusion. So with that and your confirmation, I’m back to being comfortable that I made the right choice in ordering the 15.5G. Thanks.
Currently all I have on order is just the 8" 15.5G Quad Coils + 3" QuadMini
(In fact I JUST received the email that my order is going into production and should be ready early next week, to get shipped out sometime next week. )
I have no other layers yet, until…
I’ll set the QuadCoil+QuadMini up first, with just my (thin) wool mattress protector covering it, and try just that combo out for a little while. That way I can get a good idea of how that core “base” of my build feels by itself, and then make a determination on what layer(s) I’d want/need to add on top of it (if any). Then I’ll test out and work through the additional layer(s) combination (if any).
Plus - All throughout my testing and trying I will also be thinking about and taking into consideration if I am going to want to get a stretch encasement, or if I want to firm it up some more and have a different feel with a more structured and/or quilted encasement.
Im interested in your configuration since im 6’4 240lbs (not the same but might as well ask you). To make it clear to me, you have pocket springs, then 1inch soft talalay and 1inch medium talalay? and then 3inch vzone. If thats the case, how is that holding up for you, do you feel sinking in it? And what was the reasoning for soft/medium talalay after the pocket coils if you were to put vzone on top? Thanks for your time in case you read this.
My configuration (bottom to top) is one inch high density foam at the bottom. The 15.5 TPS coils; a thin layer of wool; two inches of talalay latex (one half is medium and the other half is firm), then the three inch vzone on top (all wrapped up it in the bamboo encasement. I sleep on the side with the firm middle layer of latex, and my vzone is configured to give my shoulders some pressure relief and the rest medium.
We’ve been sleeping on it since around May, and we’re really happy. I used to have to crack my back a lot, and I don’t have to do it that much anymore. It’s really firm, but also provides me with enough pressure relief that it’s just really comfortable whether I’m on my side or back. There has been no sinking or sagging. It all just seems to work together, though I think the vzone may be the secret sauce, just because you can configure to target each part of your body. And because I got my wife the “soft” vzone and I got the medium (medium/firm?), I could mix and match the two vzones to fine tune things.
I’m not sure if I really need to do it, but I figure I can open it up and flip the various latex layers, and if/when the latex starts to breakdown, I can replace those layers. I suspect the coils are going to be good for the long haul. I put two twin xls together to form the king (there is little to no motion transfer), and I suppose if it helps, I could flip the coils at some point. I hope this is helpful, but I can provide more details is you need. Just let me know!
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain. It is really interesting to read this because until now i was under the impression that the firmness should scale from bottom to top, while in that case(if i got it correctly) you got a firm layer over coils, then a medium layer over the firm (that makes sense until now) but then vzone comes into play which is layers of different density vertically placed? So lets say the vertical layer on shoulders is soft, then below soft you would have the medium layer and below that the firm which is the scaling i mentioned and makes sense. But if the vertical layer around hips is firm for example, you would have something like coils/firm/medium/firm and in that case im trying to understand if the medium part plays any role since its between 2 firm layers. Really sorry for the dumb questions but just curious to how it all works.
My side of the mattress is basically firm (coils), firm (2 inch firm talalay), and then the vzone that varies between soft (shoulders and head), medium and firm (hips, midsection, knees and feet). My wife’s side is firm (coils), medium (2 inch talalay), and then her vzone that varies between soft with a little bit of medium). And just to be clear the 2 inch middle layer of talalay is basically two twinxls that are glued side to side to accommodate my wife’s lighter more svelte frame and my, let’s call it robust frame. So her softer latex layers are giving her plenty of support, and the firmer layers are giving me what I need. Does this help?
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