Mixed weight couple - almost at the point of pressing "buy now", just need some help

Hello there!

I’m a lurker and I read so many posts, and yet, I seem to be stuck - hence the new account. :slight_smile: My husband and I changed 2 mattresses in the last 6 years and I believe the problem is our weight. There is a 100 lbs difference between us, one is 175 lbs and a stomach sleeper, one 275 lbs and a back/side sleeper (starts on the side, spends 85% of time on the back).

We currently have Saatva Classic (luxury firm, king) and after 4 years it became so uncomfortable, for us both. We are waking up with back pain on regular basis, wake up early and/or during the night and there are visible indentations on both sides. It was really expensive and the third time around we want to be super sure what we are getting. We ultimately decided on a latex mattress from Sleep EZ, the one you can customize, based on the weight, height, preference,… the “problem” though, we have a bit of a renovation planned next year, so we want to deal with that first and then get the mattress, the new base and the whole shebang.

So we were thinking of a mattress topper for the time being. Something that can last us until June, July and helps to alleviate the pain and helps us sleep again. From what I read, I should be looking at latex, dunlop, 3 inch, firm, as opposed to talalay. Would that be a reasonable thing to get? I am aware that latex will conform to the indentations, but can we, realistically, hope to use it for about 7-9 months?

If you have any other ideas, please send them my way. We are hoping to take advantage of Black Friday and if your expert opinion points to “get a new mattress now”, we’ll definitely consider it.

Thank you all.

Hi Teyah, and welcome to the Mattress Underground!

What is your mattress currently supported by? If a platform, how far apart are the slats? Usually if a mattress is sagging, we might suggest to renovate from the bottom up rather than the top down with a topper.

If you need cushioning, a topper will help, but if the mattress is losing shape, the topper will conform to those indentations, although Dunlop may be slightly better than Talalay.

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Thank you for the warm welcome. :blush:

We have a split wooden box spring on top of a metal base. The mattress is not sagging per se, but there are some quite clear body indentations. You can almost feel that some coils shifted/collapsed and even though we rotate the mattress on regular basis, it doesn’t seem to help.

When I was googling I came across an advice that we should flip the mattress (even though it’s not really flippable) and top it up with a topper, but that sounds a bit wrong. :grinning:

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Hi Teyah,

I thought I would chime in.

First, regarding your Saatva mattress: it’s designed in a way that doesn’t easily lend itself to being flipped and adding a topper. It’s a complicated construction, and while I won’t comment on its quality, it’s important to note that the multiple layers involved might not be ideal for this approach.

Body impressions can be normal in certain mattresses, especially those with natural fibers. However, if you’re noticing significant indentations after only four years, it may indicate issues with the mattress or the foundation. For example, if the twin XL box springs are misaligned, shifted, or warped, that could create sagging or imbalances in the mattress. Often, split foundations can cause this issue. When the foundation boxes are pushed together, the part where they meet is very firm—much like the joist that holds up a floor. This firm area can make the mattress appear higher at that point on the surface, while the rest of the mattress may sink lower under the weight of the body. Additionally, You can see what is going on the inside of your mattress here. At about 7 minutes in you can see what their definition of lumbar support it, a little strip of foam.

Without a clear picture of what is going on with your situation, it is hard to make a determination. @TheCleanBedroom suggestion at analyzing from the bottom up is right on, as the root of the problem may stem from down there.

Then again, a sleeper at 275lbs on a mattress with horrible lumbar support, on a mattress that may not have been rotated, is likely to create a depression in the mattress enough to strain the back and create unwanted pain.

If you haven’t already rotated the mattress, that’s the first step I’d recommend. If the box springs seem uneven, a sheet of plywood might help level them out. For the mattress itself, one option is to place a coir layer on top of the mattress, followed by a topper. The coir layer can provide enough firmness to mask the body impressions, helping the 3-inch topper work more effectively. However, keep in mind that this temporary fix can get costly. A sheet of plywood typically costs around $100, a coir layer is about $200, and a topper’s price will vary depending on material. While these modifications can temporarily improve comfort, the total cost might approach that of a new mattress. The upside is that a quality topper, when used with a mattress, can help extend its life, and these components—coir, plywood, and the topper—can be reused with a new mattress, potentially providing long-term value.

As for a mattress topper, latex could be a decent option in the short term. A 3-inch firm Dunlop latex topper should offer better support and might help alleviate pain by providing more firmness. But, be aware that a topper will only mask the existing depressions in your mattress, not fix them. It’s a temporary solution, and the depression from the mattress may transfer to the topper over time.

Finally, if back pain continues to be an issue, especially with someone at 275 lbs, it’s likely that the Saatva’s questionable lumbar support could be contributing to the problem. A mattress with inadequate lumbar support, combined with body impressions, can cause additional strain and pain. It’s important to address both the mattress and the foundation to fully resolve the issue.

Hope this helps you figure out a solution!

Best,
Maverick

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Not an expert but I came across Saatva looking for beds that support heavier people. Specifically the Saatva HD model, which integrates 1.5" of both latex and memory foam along with an open coil system and dense foam for extra padding. Not thrilled with the price tag but if you’re cool with it and want to be done this might be your golden ticket.

Looking at the Classic I would wager what wore down was the micro-coils (assuming you have a solid foundation). I’m skeptical/curious about the metal rectangle they put in their mattresses but could see it being beneficial. If you’re truly done with this mattress replacing that layer with some medium/medium-firm dunlop might grant you a quick fix for far less money. I’d say the rest of the components are still good - seam ripper, swap, re-stitch. Putting something on top (except maybe Maverick’s coir solution) is just going to leave the same issue only mediate it a little. It’s kind of like if the foundation shifts under your house - no amount of caulk is going to fix it.

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Also, hot take and though you may have tried this – maybe spin the mattress 180 degrees? Heavier persons side might be more broken in for lighter sleeper and lighter sleepers side might have more life to give for the time being.

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Maverick, thank you so much for your post and suggestions. You gave us a lot to think about. We have been regularly rotating the mattress and while it’s perfect for about 3, 4 days, we go back to sinking and indentations soon. So sadly, I feel it’s at the end of its life. Reading the comments on youtube and reddit, it looks like a lot of people have that issue, not just heavier built, and I was shocked to see what’s inside the mattress on the video.

We’ll try rotating again, and we’ll inspect the box springs, as suggested. In the future I’d like to get rid of them completely though, especially if we go for latex. I am a transplant from Europe and we don’t really have box springs, or mattresses that are super high, so I am not used to them in the first place. :smiley:

Thank you so much for taking the time to help, I really do appreciate it.

I love your house example! Yes, we are aware it would only be a temporary fix, but if it worked until June, July next year it would be great. But Maverick is right, all the temporary fixes could end up being very expensive, so that’s something to think about.

We have been rotating the mattress on regular basis and while it helps a bit for the first few days, the issues soon come back. We’ll measure and check if it’s only possible to do a 90 degree rotation though. :smiley:

And yeah, I noticed the Saatva HD mattress, but I simply don’t trust them anymore. Sure, it would be a completely different product, but still. Once we bite the bullet we’ll go for the EZ Sleep, also because of this forum :slight_smile:

PLOT TWIST! After reading through all the comments and advice my husband decided to actually go for it and get a new mattress! We are not travelling home home (Europe) for Christmas, so I guess that’s a gift for us and the dogs. :smiley:

Thank you all so much for helping us look at things from a different perspective.

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Investing any substantial amount money in a mattress, without having the best foundation to support it, is never the best approach.
You can opt for a quality adjustable base with a solid wood deck, a platform, a slatted wood surface platform provided the spacing is less than 3" apart. The slats should be at least 1/2" thick, if not 3/4, as you dont want those slats to bend or warp. Additionally either the frame or slats should have center support legs under the center of the foundation at a minimum.

You bedding system is only as good as its weakest layer/component. The cost difference is usually minimal to have the better upgraded components. The return on a small investment will go a long way.

Maverick

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It makes perfect sense and my husband agreed, so thank you Maverick. :slight_smile: We’ll be adding the frame and foundation in the shopping cart as well then. This morning I woke up with a horrible backache again and I really cannot wait to get a new mattress. Thank you for gently guiding me towards this decision.

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