The Final Stretch

Okay, I’m currently focusing on comfort layers and I am looking to get some advice. I’ve been through several posts and trying my best to parse all the information.

I’m 5’11", 292 lbs and 80% Side/ 20% Back Sleeper. My wife is about 5’8", 190 lbs and 90% Side/ 10% back sleeper.

Current Build (Bottom-up)

  • 1" King Super Max Foam
  • 8" TPS King Quadcoil (14.75G)
  • 3" TPS King Quadmini Coil (18G)
  • 11" APM King Organic Cotton Zippered Mattress Cover (for both coils, on the way)
  • 3" Tempurpedic King TEMPUR-Topper Supreme™

We don’t care for the memory foam but we happened to have it and are using it in the meantime. In a previous post I asked if going 2" Firm Dunlop and 2" 1/2 soft/medium Talalay and was suggested that it was a good start. We both like plush so we though of just going 3" 1/2 soft/medium Talalay, either on top of the quadmini or still include the 2" Firm Dunlop.

Personally, with the memory foam, I feel supported but too firm on my back. Yet, with side sleeping it isn’t too bad. I run way too hot and I was seriously considering going for 3" Wool topper over just the Quadmini but wife doesn’t care for it. I’ve seen some wool toppers with a latex core, as well as a wool topper with schredded latex mixed in. Anyone have any experience with these types of wool toppers?

Not sure if I’m missing anything or if these things have just been asked too much and don’t quite spark interest to reply lol

@Sleep_EZ
@Arizona_Premium

I am actually surprised you like the 3" TP topper at the top of this project. Most folks find that a 3" TP topper to be body swallowing like a slow quicksand. While it does offer some pressure relief and contouring, it completely changes the feel of the bedding system. This is not to say it is a good thing or a bad thing, it is just personal preference.

When I added a 3" TP to our previous mattress, my wife just hated it. She felt trapped in the bed, hot and found it hard to manipulate her body in and getting out of bed. So see ya, not going to miss ya TP topper.

On the other hand, the 3" wool topper, left the feel of the mattress intact, allowed for additional contouring, is super cool to sleep on and generally feels much nicer to sleep on and noticeably so.

Given your preference for plush comfort and your experience with the memory foam,( it is surprising you feel that it was firm) as it generally softens while you lay on it and you get what I mentioned before, slow sinking quick sand. It seems like transitioning to Talalay latex could be a better choice for plushness. The 3" 1/2 soft/medium Talalay layer sounds better, especially since it can offer contouring support while still feeling plush, unlike the wool which will not seem plush.

In terms of whether to include the 2" Firm Dunlop layer, it depends on how much support you feel you need. Since you’re already using a coil base, which provides significant support, you might find that the Talalay layer alone provides sufficient comfort without adding the Dunlop layer. However, that additional support from the Dunlop is recommended, particularly with your body profile and if you want to enhance the overall supportiveness of the mattress, adding the Dunlop layer could be beneficial and would be recommended.

Regarding your concern about sleeping hot, as mentioned, wool toppers can be an excellent solution as they have natural temperature-regulating properties. Wool wicks away moisture and helps maintain a comfortable sleeping temperature throughout the night. If your wife isn’t keen on a pure wool topper, you might consider a wool topper with a latex core mixed in for added support and comfort, with a bit of springiness. This combination could offer the best of both worlds in terms of temperature regulation and plush comfort.

I realize the use of the TP topper is tempting, particularly when you get that FOMO on the value, nut it’s more important to prioritize comfort over the value invested in the TP topper.

Each person’s preferences differ, and what works for one may not work for another. So try not to get caught up in thinking in terms of a lost value. We gave ours to a friend who was able to appreciate it… Something for everyone, I suppose.

Remembering your frame from your previous post. I am going to defer to @PCS on that. I am not certain the at super max foam will be sturdy enough to support the entire system and both of your weights without potentially losing some support with those very wide space between the slats. Although the super max foam does tout a 2.8lb density and an ILD of 70. So on paper is sounds ok, in practical use as a base layer, I would prefer @PCS chime in on that.

Hopefully this will offer a little perspective on your build and situation.

Maverick

Well… sort of. We bought it September 2020, so it might just be that it has soften enough overtime that its probably bottoming out and what I’m really feeling is the microcoils. It felt like a good purchase back then, for the same reason, our futon was just too hard for her, at which point I also bought a 3" Down Topper, which together made it passable.

This is pretty much what I got from all the research I’ve read through and the various sentiments on them. I just probably needed one final push/confirmation to just go through with it.

This was my alternative choice. I think BioSleep Concept has a 4" Wool topper with a latex core. I’ve tried reaching out to them several times about the thickness and type of latex but unfortunately I have not heard from them. It has potential but I can’t dish out the 1k cash for it without knowing more.

SleepingOrganic has the Sleep & Beyond - myWolly Latex Topper, which uses three layer fills, with the middle fill having wolly puffs and natural latex noodles. The price isnt too bad either but can’t find any info on these.

I did talk with @PCS and he mentioned that as long as the foam/coils are not significantly falling through the gaps, that is should be okay. Personally I would feel more comfortable with something else but I need to work with what I got in the meantime.

I appreciate you.

@Maverick

Was this advice given with the Microcoils in mind? So like the 3" Soft/Med Talalay over 2" Firm Dunlop, over 3" Microcoils, over the 8" Quadcoil?

You will be ok with anything solid, tt can be thin as long as its solid.

I mean, its foam, its not solid like wood, sooo a no go?

@PCS

sorry my description wasn’t so great :slight_smile: yes if its a very high density foam it’ll work just fine.

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FYI My 3" wool topper is the exact same one that BSC sells. We love it, but I can see where for some folks they would like the latex core to add that bounce to it.

@Maverick Just for clarification, Was this advice given with the Microcoils in mind? So like the 3" Soft/Med Talalay over 2" Firm Dunlop, over 3" Microcoils, over the 8" Quadcoil?

I mean, I like the feeling of both to be honest. Although, ive never laid on 3" of wool so i dont know lol ive had down toppers and im a huge fan of it but wife is not lol she liked the feeling of latex when we tried mattress shopping before. So thats more or less where I am at with that. I just really wish I knew more about BCSs https://biosleepconcept.com/product/heavenly-4-inch-latex-and-wool-mattress-topper/
I feel like that might just be what Im looking for lol

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Yes, it all depends on the type of targeted support you are looking for.

Combining different types of coils, like microcoils and pocket coils, in a mattress is a technique used by some mattress manufacturers to offer a blend of benefits. This approach can potentially provide a mattress with the advantages of both coil types. Here are some considerations if you’re thinking about using them together:
By combining microcoils and pocket coils, you may achieve a balance between targeted support and overall supportiveness. The microcoils can offer precise contouring and pressure relief, while the pocket coils provide deep support and stability.

Mixing coil types allows for customization of the mattress feel. You can adjust the ratio of microcoils to pocket coils to achieve the desired firmness level and support characteristics.

Microcoils can help reduce motion transfer, while pocket coils provide individualized support. Together, they may offer better motion isolation compared to using only one type of coil.

Using both microcoils and pocket coils may increase the manufacturing cost of the mattress, which could translate to a higher retail price. Consider whether the added benefits justify the extra expense for you.

It is important to ensure that the manufacturer has a good reputation for quality and craftsmanship of their coils. The effectiveness of combining different coil types depends on how well they are integrated into the mattress design and construction.

When it comes to the wool 3" topper, wool presents an intriguing quality (aside from its moisture wicking and heat neutrality)—it compresses to offer firmness yet retains a softness. In a recent conversation with Sawyer at Sonoma Wool Company about wool batting I purchased for a pillow project, we explored this duality. While he highlighted wool’s softness, I emphasized its role in providing firmness to complement a latex noodle core, essential for ensuring the pillow offers the head and neck support that I prefer rather than just the soft squishiness that the latex noodles offer alone. This is due in part because the wool will not allow the latex to expand quite as much as it does with no other material around it, or a stretchy material around it.

Just like the material used for mattress covers or sheets—whether stretchy or taut—affects the firmness and feel of a mattress, the materials, their combinations, and their arrangement play a pivotal role in determining the overall feel and comfort of a mattress and even a pillow.

For your wife, the combination of a wool topper with a latex core, while pricey, maybe the perfect combination for her overall comfort.

Maintenance!!!
I can not stress enough that maintenance plays a very important roll in overall comfort and longevity.

Rotate the mattress

Every 3 months. This is important when the mattress is new. The fibers and foams have not been “stressed”. When you sleep, body impressions are normal. One a king mattress in particular, you may develop that “ridge” between sleepers down the middle, head to foot. In a better quality mattress, this is due to each sleeper’s compressing their sides and the middle remains at expanded height, thus creating the ridge. Rotating the mattress, even at times, a 90 degree rotation will allow for even wear and be visually pleasing.

Topper Rotation and fluffing

I rotate and flip my 3" wool topper every time I change the sheets. The sheets are off anyway, so I rotate the topper, and fluff the mattress topper by shaking it multiple times, in a motion akin to the rope exercise, helping to redistribute the filling and restore its shape and loft. It does create a noticeable difference upon lying on the mattress after the linens are reapplied.

Long explanation for a simple question, but some things need to be viewed in a bit more depth.

Maverick

For more in depth look at mattress ridging see this excellent article by @DLX

For a more extensive take on mattress maintenance and longevity another article by @DLX

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